03-13-2019 Inner Circle

03-13-2019 Inner Circle

Greetings Turbo Regal Inner Circle Members 03-13-2019 –


We just got confirmation yesterday that Gbodyparts.com will be attending our Spring Open House on May 4, 2019.

Check out their website - gbodyparts.com - and to request any parts you want them to bring. Their email is - [email protected]

This will be the first time they have come to one of our events. They will have many of their latest reproduction items for the Turbo Regals on display. It’s a great opportunity to save on freight on the big items they sell.


This time we had several readers get this trivia question correct. The answer for the item that only appears once on a 1986-1987 Grand National and appears twice on the 1987 Turbo Limited is the metal ashtray attached to the backside of the front seat. The big clue was I only referenced the Grand National as some T-Types and Turbo-Ts had split or solid bench seats and I can’t remember if they also had 2 ashtrays on the back of the front seat like the Limiteds did.

No Grand National owner that I am aware of would encourage anyone to smoke in the back seat of their car as cigarette ashes lead to burn holes in that very costly pallex seat material. Actually, most cars today don’t even have ashtrays in them. A car that has been constantly smoked in today are cars many potential buyers avoid due to allergies and smells.

Speaking of smoking (a habit I never picked up), I saw an ad at a local store that said buy two cartons of a certain brand cigarette and save $1.50. Truth is saving may be instant, but in the long run the health issues that develop from a smoking habit far excel that initial $1.50 savings!


The trivia question this week focuses on Turbo Regals. This week’s question is a little more involved and needs a more detailed list of clues. It has two answers. So here goes:

It is a known fact that several later model GM options and features will fit the 1984-1987 Turbo Regal without any modifications. One of the most popular ones would be any of the early 1990s am/fm CD players. A simple bolt-in with a jumper harness and the radio looks factory. Another later option would be the lighted rearview mirror. A feature would be the flip-down stay-down license plate bracket that other GM cars had. The flip-down stay-down license plate bracket, since it was standard on certain GM vehicles, would be considered a feature not an option. Chevrolet had this feature on the 1994-1996 Caprices and certain year 1980s Camaros and 1980s Chevrolet sedans.

The trivia question for this week is what two features from another GM car line will fit all the 1984-1987 Turbo Regals. Remember I said feature, as I am almost certain these two parts were not an option, but part of a package or was standard equipment on certain GM cars.

Here are the clues: No modification is required to install either of these features. One of these features has several parts to it. One of the answers is more visible than the other. Both are interior related. The one feature has been reproduced and is available on our website. Those are the clues. The two correct answers will be revealed in next week’s Inner Circle as usual.

Remember your answer must match mine. Email me your educated guess to [email protected]


While placing the folders with the various Turbo Regal VIN numbers in sequential order, I made an unusual discovery. I may have mentioned it before. I have two 1987 Grand National VIN numbers in sequence! Not only that, I have a 3rd 1987 Grand National VIN that is just 3 digits earlier than the two in sequence.

I can only surmise that these three 1987 Grand Nationals that I have records for must have all been within sight of each other as they came down the assembly line in Flint, Michigan and then over to Pontiac Michigan for final assembly! Of the three Grand Nationals, I know the one is in England as that owner Ian Reeves emails me once in a while. He owns the one that the VIN is just three digits prior to the two I have in sequence.

Ian owns the Grand National with the VIN HP463131. The two Grand Nationals I have in sequence are VIN HP463134 and VIN HP463135. One of these went to Staten Island, New York and the other went to Asheboro, North Carolina. Ian from England bought his Grand National back in the fall of 1996. The New York one I sold back in fall of 2003. The last one we sold in the summer of 2004. All 3 are Grand Nationals. The New York one had 53,000 miles on it and the North Carolina one had 113,000 miles on it. If you have my book Kirban’s Guide to 1986-1987 Buick Turbo Regals, Ian and his friend Steve are pictured in front of YumYums on page 10.

So, check your 1987 Grand National VIN number to see by any chance you own either of the other two Grand Nationals that are in my system. The VIN numbers are HP463134 and HP463135. Both are hardtop models from what I can determine in my records. It would be cool to locate both of these cars today.

PHOTO 1 – Here is a paste up of the actual color photos I have of the VIN HP463134 that went to Asheboro, North Carolina in 2003. It sure would be nice to locate the current owner as I have more photos of this Grand National. Notice the one small photo in the bottom left corner shows a bunch of repair records that I gave the buyer back in 2004.


We sold this gorgeous black 1987 Turbo-T back in the Spring of 2003. According to my records, it went to Indiana. I bought it out of New Jersey, one of the shorter trips I made to buy a Turbo Regal. This car had a mere 61,700 miles on it. This car has some very interesting facts. First according to my records, we had owned it 5 years earlier when it had 36,000 miles on it and sold it back then for $11,900. In 2003 with 61,300 miles we sold it for $10,900. This was before these cars started to climb in value!

Besides being black, which is a rare color on a Turbo-T, it had a spit bench seat and crank windows. No posi. The car had 100% original paint. Based on how nice this Turbo-T was back in 2003, with 100% original paint this car is probably still around.

Here is the VIN HP441198. Besides the photos we show in Photo 2, I have other photos and information on this fine example.

PHOTO 2 – The photo to the left shows the actual flyer we did on the Turbo-T. The photo to the right shows a paste up of 8 photos of this prime example. Remember, I would say over 75% of the 1986-1987 Turbo Regals we sold were really nice original cars. It did not pay me to travel as far as the Mississippi River for the low-end cars!


In that February 27th Inner Circle issue, we discussed the variance differences with the power six logo and mentioned that the original 1986-1987 coil pack had a date sticker on the top. In the photo below we show an original date sticker. To my knowledge, this is one decal that has not been reproduced, so we recommend you save it if you need to replace the coil pack.

That same issue we talked about the 2 big Reunion Events we did at the Johnsville Airbase.

In the photo below is the publicity photo we took a few days earlier for the local newspaper to help promote the event, which raised money for the local boy scouts.

PHOTO 3 – The photo to the left shows the factory 1986-1987 coil pack date decal. The photo to the right is the publicity photo that was taken for the Reunion Event that first time at the Naval Air Warfare Center Johnsville Airbase. Our original 1987 Grand National test car is on the left and our custom 1964 GTO is on the right. Local Boy Scouts can be seen alongside our two cars. The lower photos show promotional black and white press photos of the plane, GTO and Grand National for the local newspapers.


Speaking of factory original decals, I came across a group of photos that I probably took almost 25 years ago of one of the very low-mileage Turbo Regals we had. I say that because the photos are of the paper decals that came on the shocks suspension parts and springs. These paper decals are long gone on 99% of the Turbo Regals today.

PHOTO 4 – The top left shows the factory decal on one of the shocks. The top right photo shows the factory decal on one of the springs, the bottom left shows the factory decal on the rear sway bar. The photo to the bottom right shows the factory decal on one of the rear trailering arms.


As many long-time customers know, our personal Grand National ended up going to Hawaii and since Hawaii is an island, I assume it is still on the island somewhere. Our 1964 GTO I know has traded hands several times. I have no idea where it is today. Last I heard it was in New York.

A few years back I did hear something interesting about our old 1964 GTO. The owner at the time had no idea who I was. The hood on our 1964 GTO was one-of-a-kind. Years ago I had a body shop mount the 1965-67 GTO hood scoop portion into the stock 1964 GTO so the open scoop provided ram air to the tri-power. The hood looked factory. The car was featured in Popular Hot Rod and was well known in the GTO world. It always had that custom hood on it.

From what I been told, the owner of our car at the time did not like the hood and another GTO owner kept pestering him for the hood as he knew the real value of such a hood and knew it was from my car. The seller sold him my one-of-a-kind custom hood. Besides the hood, I had all the later GTO options in that car. I even had it fitted with the rare chrome 15 by 8 Ralley I wheels we had produced back then.

This year I am up as a nominee to the Pontiac Hall Of Fame. It’s my second year of being eligible. Last year was the first year and all the big names for Pontiac got in last year. I been told I have a good chance of getting in this year.

What is my point? If indeed the owner of our old 1964 GTO did sell the custom hood and removed all the incorrect 1964 GTO parts, he may have made a serious error in judgment. This is just my opinion. He may have seen more value into making the 1964 GTO 100% stock as it was in 1964 rather than keeping it the way I built it. Time will surely tell if his decision was correct. Plus, the fact our son Darrell painted the car.


We been getting emails from 1986-1987 Turbo Regal owners almost every day, but so far since last week we have struck out on having any information for those that have emailed me their last 6 digits of their VIN number.

If you email me just the last 6 digits of the VIN for 1986 or 1987 models only, I may have some documentation on your car - [email protected]

The price of this material will be based on what exactly what I do have. In some cases, I may even have a copy or the original Window Sticker. Depending on my memory, I may even remember when I picked up the car and exactly where it was located. If the car was bought prior to 2003 I would have information from our monthly Grand News which would detail the options and price we sold it for since I have every copy of our Grand News from 1988 thru 2002. Remember, I did most of the buying of these cars back in the 1990s and early 2000 timeframe.

You just never know. I do have records on almost every car. If you are on any of the various websites and Facebook, feel free to put the word out that we may have documentation on their Turbo Regal, if it’s one that passed thru my hands over the last 30 years. This may prove better than playing your state lottery as I may have info on your 1986-1987 Turbo Regal or GNX!


As you know I recently picked up this extremely nice original 2003 Mercedes Benz C230 coupe at the one of the auction bid lots. It appears they only made this model just a few years maybe 2002-2005 and possibly the 6-speed model for just 2002-2003. I discovered the other day inside the gas door a factory label that lists the tire pressures for the front and rear tires.

What I found interesting is on this decal it states, if you drive over 100 mph, they recommend you inflate the tires another 4 psi. It sounds like they are encouraging owners to speed! At the very least, it makes the driver feel confident the car can easily handle speeds of 100 mph and above. Not something you want to try in your Turbo Regal with its 85 mph speedometer starring you in the face. A T-Tops Turbo Regal would generate so much wind noise, it would be hard to hear the radio unless you had the weatherstrips redone and the windows adjusted!


Here are a few more facts related to the 1986-1987 Turbo Regals that we bought and sold over the last 30 years or so. The lowest mileage Grand National we sold had just 700 miles on it. The lowest mileage GNX had just under 600 actual miles.

The easiest to sell T model for us was the WE4. This is perhaps because it was black and possibly because it was advertised as being lighter and quicker than a Grand National.

We had at least 4 or 5 instances where the buyer changed their mind about selling their car to me. I can’t blame them in the least as, in many cases, it probably was a tough decision.


See the Rare Parts section for pricing. This is the upgraded lower steering shaft that eliminates the fiber steering coupler at the steering box. The Jeep shaft has steel universal joints at both ends and is more streamlined over the stock bulky lower steering shaft that the Regals came with. I think we have 2 in stock. See Rare Parts section.


Turbo V6 enthusiast Steve Saffier (who produced “The Dennis Kirban Story” on YouTube last year) is producer and host of a new automotive radio program broadcasting live every Saturday from 11am – 12 noon on 610 ESPN radio (the old WIP 610 am for those in the area.) The show talks about different aspects of the car world and Steve’s affinity for Turbo Regals and Syclone/Typhoons often is expressed in nearly every show.

You can tune in live or livestream the show at http://www.610espn.com from anywhere in the world.


If there are any tips or ideas you want to share with our readers, email me –[email protected]


Remember, we are always in the market for good used Turbo Regal parts or NOS Turbo Regal parts. Why not cash them in for parts you need to complete your project?


To get your Turbo Regal event for 2019 listed here, you must email me direct [email protected] Also send me a copy of the flyer promoting the event.

Saturday, May 4, 2019 - 9 am until 2 pm
6201 Kellers Church Road, Plumsteadville (Pipersville), PA

This event has no rain date. This year we are combining this event with Black Ice Details, a detail shop that shares our warehouse. We will have many raffle items from various vendors that have donated to our event. A few No Reserve Auction items and our usual M&Ms contest as well. Free coffee and Yum Yums donuts as usual, Yum Yums donuts seldom last past the first hour.

Local motels would be in nearby Quakertown, which is about a 25-minute drive west of our shop location. They would include Quakertown Holiday Inn Express, Hampton Inn, Spring Hill Suites by Marriott, Quality Inn & Suites. There is also a Hampton Inn Warrington south of us on Route 611 in Warrington.

From Willow Grove... North on RT 611 through Warrington, Doylestown and into Plumsteadville (you can take the RT 611 Bypass that goes around Doylestown - it exits back onto RT 611 north of Doylestown). Watch for a shopping center with a McDonald’s on your right. Go past that light at Stump Road and the Plumsteadville Inn. Make your FIRST left at the Shelly Funeral Home onto Kellers Church Road. Ours is the second office complex just a short distance down on the right. Our unit is at the back far corner. There’s plenty of parking, since most of the other companies are closed on the weekends.

From Quakertown... Take RT 663 east and it will become RT 313 heading east (away from the turnpike.) You will cross through the major intersection at RT 309 in Quakertown. Go through Quakertown (it will take several sharp turns). RT 663 becomes Route 313 Dublin Pike, past Dublin. Make a left onto Stump Road, left onto RT 611, FIRST left at the Shelly Funeral Home onto Kellers Church Road. Ours is the second office complex on the right.
NOTE - If you are using GPS, you may have to use “Pipersville 18947” as the town.

Saturday, MAY 25, 2019 – Gates open at 8 am
Lebanon Valley Dragway, 1746 U.S. Route 20, West Lebanon, NY

Participants in all Buick classes must be Buick-Powered. For more information, call 518-794-7130 or call 914-477-6068 (ask for John)

MAY 23, 24, and 25, 2019
Richard Clark’s Garage & Piedmont Race Track, Burlington, North Carolina

This event is held at Richard Clark’s Garage in Burlington, NC and the nearby Piedmont Race Track. For more information and a list of their program, go to Turbobuick.com and scroll down to Turbo Buick Nationals 2019 for up-to-date information. Here is the link to this event.

SUNDAY, JUNE 2, 2019 - 9 am until 3 pm -
Bates Nut Farm, Valley Center, CA

According to Mike Bernard (Spoolfool fame), this event is the second largest gathering of Turbo Buicks in the Nation. Eric Brown and Mike Bernard deserve a lot of credit for putting this west coast event on every year. The event runs from 9 am until 3 pm. Vendors will be on hand and they will have many items for their raffles. They will update the info shortly for 2019 on the link shown below.

Here is a link to their website.

FRIDAY& SATURDAY - JUNE 14 & 15, 2019
Quaker City Motorsports Park, 10225 West South Range Road, Salem, OH 44460

For more info, contact John Csordas 914-447-6068 [email protected] or Denny Moore 330-647-3615 [email protected] - www.quakercitymotorsportspark.com

Cecil County Dragway, 1916 Theodore Road, Rising Sun, Maryland

This will be the 23rd year. Host hotel Information:Comfort Inn located just off exit 100 on I-95.Call 410-287-7100 and mention Northeast GS/GN Club for special pricing. For more info, contact John Csordas 914-447-6068 [email protected] or Jim Chaudrue 215-266-1052 [email protected]


I have several items for sale. In each case the price includes shipping to the basic 48 states. Perhaps you have a relative or a good friend with one of these cars. All these items are extremely nice and priced to sell. Again, PayPal is the preferred method of payment. You must email me direct - [email protected] to purchase or check if item(s) are still available. All these items are bargain priced and extremely nice otherwise I would not bother hauling them out of the junkyard.

C-2 – See photo 4 in 11-07-2018 issue. I have 4 of these Cadillac accessory trunk mats. I have them in the trunk of all our cars and use them in the pole building to keep any leaks from getting on the concrete floor. These trunk mats were a Cadillac option around the late 1980s. The mat is reversible rubber on the one side with the Caddy crest logo and grey cloth material on the other side. The trunk mat measures 33 inches by 36 inches, almost a perfect square. Mat is the perfect size for most trunks to protect your original trunk carpet. They are charcoal grey in color. Each one is almost like new with no stains. The price is just $34.95, which includes shipping to the basic 48 states. These mats are very high quality.


Good news - We now accept Classified Ads in our weekly Inner Circle emails. Over the years several customers have asked about placing an ad in our weekly Inner Circle.

Here are the options and the costs.

Ads can be from any individual or company. It needs to be automotive related, meaning it does not need be specifically Turbo Regal related. It can be for something for sale or something wanted.

Maximum number of words is 125 words, which is about 7 to 9 lines of copy. No photos. You can list a website. We recommend you state your name, phone number or email, a price, and your location in your ad.

The cost for 2 consecutive weeks is $25. The cost for 4 consecutive weeks is $40. You save $10 with the 4-week plan. No changes can be made to your existing running ad. You can only run one ad at any given time. We will have a code system at the end of your ad, so we will know what week number your ad is to run - 2 or 4 weeks.

It can be an ad for something for sale or an ad for something you are looking for.

We have never missed a single week since we started the Inner Circle email format in 2009. It’s something I enjoy doing and I just always seem to have enough material to write about.

Our weekly Inner Circle reaches over 3,300 members every Wednesday direct to their inbox. The Inner Circle also appears every Wednesday on our website with the related photos. Your ad would be visible to both groups of readers. So, the exposure to your ad is well over 3,200 potential buyers.

Ads submitted properly by the previous Sunday would appear that next Wednesday in the weekly Inner Circle. Ads must be submitted by email to - [email protected]

Payment by credit card must be done by phone to our office 215-766-1611 x 0.

FOR SALE – 1987 Turbo-T Regal HARDTOP –

1987 Turbo-T hardtop with 74,000 miles original California survivor, 100% rust free, original dark blue exterior, and interior, chrome trim never in storage, always lightly used. Factory aluminum wheels, aluminum drums, aluminum bumper inserts, all maintenance upgrades have been done but still looks totally stock and very correct throughout Ice cold A/C still uses R12, PW, tilt, cruise, posi, original window sticker, original exhaust with correct replacement muffler, under carriage as clean as the top side, fully detailed for show, drive anywhere. Received “Award of Excellence” at 2013, and 2018 East Coast Buick Regionals. Needs nothing, runs great $20k. Member NE GS/GN Club & Co-Director local BCA Club. Contact Steve Perry 914-262-9965, Carmel, NY [email protected] 2 of 4.


If you are not able to see the Buick Rare Parts section at the end of this Inner Circle, it is because you are not an Inner Circle member, but instead are reading this on the website. You must subscribe to see the Rare Parts section each week. It would go directly to your inbox every Wednesday afternoon. It is FREE, probably one reason why nobody complains about what I write about. Simply email- [email protected] to get on our weekly Inner Circle email.

The Buick Rare Parts section is only viewed by those that subscribe. Subscription is free, so complaints on what I write are nonexistent!


NOTE- If you email us and do NOT get a timely reply, be sure to check your “SPAM” folder. Some emails do not go thru.

If you need to email us, use - [email protected]


Here is the information on our credits for cores.


POWERMASTER BRAKE UNITS. Unit must be complete. We will issue you a Letter of Credit for $150 for each acceptable core. We currently will not buy any powermaster units outright, only Letter of Credit towards parts.

TURBO CORES must be the 1986-1987 Turbo Regal stock turbo. They must be complete. We will issue you a $150 Letter of Credit for each acceptable core.

If you ship to us, the post office is the cheapest method. Pack the item(s) with a note with your name, address and phone number. These are the only 2 items we are currently accepting as cores.

MAIL - Ship to Address -
PO BOX 1199

UPS - Ship to Address -
6201 Kellers Church Road


If you need technical information, it’s best to email - [email protected] rather than call us. We will do our best to answer any technical questions within 24 hours. Please remember I have very little knowledge of the mechanical workings of the engine.



A must-have reference booklet for any 1987 Turbo Regal owner.This is a high-quality GM Licensed reproduction of the original Owner’s Manual.

This is a great addition to your reference material.

7843 - Reproduction GM Licensed 1987 Buick Owner’s Manual - $19.95

1984-1987 Buick Turbo Regal -

NOTE - This kit is included if you purchase the Power Antenna Upgraded Steel Cable Repair Kit, part #7433.

You only need this kit if you do NOT purchase the upgraded steel cable repair kit and plan to replace the cable not using our kit, part #7433.

This kit comes with directions and the proper hardware to reassemble the power antenna housing.

It eliminates the need to hunt down the hardware to reassemble the power antenna motor assembly.

Step-by-step directions are included to make it easy to install.

We also recommend you purchase the "1984-1987 Turbo Regal Power Antenna Removal and Installation Guide" Book by Pete Serio, part #6976. The location of the original power antenna on the passenger fender makes removal a more difficult project than most locations. Or purchase the 1984-1987 Buck Turbo Regal Power Antenna Upgraded Steel Cable Repair Kit, part #7433, which includes this hardware kit.

NOTE - You may also be interested in these related parts - #7702 Rebuild Service for Original Power Antenna.

NOTE - We recommend you also purchase our Part #6976 - “1984-1987 Turbo Regal - Power Antenna Removal and Installation Guide” Book by Pete Serio

7433-Kit - 1984-1987 Buick Turbo Regal -
Power Antenna Hardware (4 Nuts & 4 Bolts) Kit - $4.95 / kit


If you have any product ideas that would fit our Turbo Buick market that you would like to see available, email me direct - [email protected]


Got any Turbo Buick parts you are not using? Why not cash them in for parts you need with a Letter of Credit. We also may buy your new or used parts. Simply email me a list [email protected]

Also, we are still buying dead or partially dead 1984-1987 Turbo Regals under $4,000 that are within 250 to 350 miles of our location.


We have heard from a couple people that have had problems with the links in our Inner Circle.

When we check the links, they work fine. However, if you are not able to be directed to the exact website page or internet site, you can "copy" and "paste" the link into the URL in your browser (such as Safari, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Google Chrome, etc.) If it doesn't link in one browser, it may work in another.

Most people having problems are using Internet Explorer. If you are having issues with links, try another browser to see if it works.
You may need to "UPDATE" your browser to be use you are using the current version.


We have heard from a couple people that have viewed the photos on the website. Because these must be low-resolution photos to work on the Inner Circle segments on the website, any photos of text don't appear clear when enlarged. This is a problem when you are trying to see numbers, such as those on the VIN labels or pages from Options booklet. Also, because of photo reproduction and computer screen variations, the colors may not be true to the actual product or photo.

If you would like to have us email you any photo at the higher resolution for viewing, just email us and we will email them to you. Be sure to be specific on which pictures you want to see - Reference Inner Circle date and photo number 1, 2, 3 or 4 - [email protected]


Any inquiries concerning used parts, you must email me direct - [email protected] I will answer you. However, if I fail to answer you within 24 hours, please email us again. Since expanding into used parts, I get a lot of emails and sometimes I may forget your request or may not remember who requested the item.


Less than 6 weeks until Spring… let’s hope the weather proves that fact as well.